Hi everyone,

could someone help me quickly with this one if poss.

I've been using the import style for some riffs out of midi files for playing live, it works great except for one thing.

I've cut down the phrases with a midi editor so they are 1 or 2 bars long, when I check with the prase editor they are correct in length.

BUT some arps only play once through and don't keep looping even though I have the hold function engaged, I seem to have to restrike the key again after each time it plays, wierd or simple? Is there something else I must do to the phrase to get it to loop as and arp?

Thanks in advance.

Scott

bump....!!

BUMP!!!

Come on guys, Id really like an answer to what you have to do to a midi phrase to get it to loop as an arp in the fg? Or has no one tried it?

I've tried this:
Cut MIDI phrase in the sequencer (CUBASE),then import as a phrase into the FG.And then play phrase as a LOOP in the RHYTHM PTN and there was no loop.
And this is a solution for my problem:
If your phrase is 1 BAR long and you cut it at the end of that first BAR,you must draw one note on the start of the second BAR and put the VOLUME al the way down (about 10 or 15 ) .Phrase must be 1 BAR long.But in the second BAR you must have one note that you can't hear.This is the only way to make phrases to work as loop's in the RHYTHM PTN.

There is clearly something wrong with the timing of the pattern management..

take a peek at my thread here >>

http://forums.rolandclan.com/index.php?action=show_thre...

This is not the same problem that theshinez has noted but its the same type of problem.. i will do some investigation in sonar with your findings here branko..thx

Hi theshinenz!

I am almost certain this is a problem with the gate time of your notes overlapping.

Ok, the first thing to keep in mind is that the G uses a tick (beat) resolution of precisely 480 TPQN (Ticks Per Quarter Note) and not one tick more. This information was not only given by Roland to impress people but so you can use it to do a bit of math as well.

When working with loops you have to make sure all of your notes (MIDI Note Data) end (gate time/length) before they start again. What's happening is this.....(you can run this test if you want....Use an organ sound or something that keeps going when you hold down the keys).

Say you have a single note on measure 1 beat 01 tick 000 (1-01-000) with a gate time (Gate=how long the note plays) of 1922 (480 x 4 + 2) and you set the G to loop for one Measure. Well this is a problem because you just told the G to play your note for two ticks longer than 4 measures. So now when your pattern loops it will play the note starting at 1-01-000 but it will also release the note on beat 1-01-001. So you well hear nothing or a very short noise when your pattern repeats. The note should be no longer than 1920 ticks and not one tick more or it will cause problems.

It is possible that you cut a pattern down to two measures etc but you did not readjust the gate times of the notes to compensate for the new pattern length. So you need to go into the micro and make the necessary adjustments. *Just make sure all the notes (they will most likely be the ones on the last measure) end before they start again and your pattern repeats.

Make sense?

Edit *

Wow, thanks, I guess it makes sense I will have a play round with it tonight and see how I go....All i did was look at the pattern and without microscope and i looked to be ok but will check it again.

Always glad to help!

Now keep in mind that the scenario I gave above is just one possible gate time conflict, there are many. You just need to make sure that your notes end before they start again. If not, you will get notes that cut-off to soon/don’t sound when the pattern repeats and/or a flanger/phase effect from overlapping notes.

If you have many notes with gate times that exceed your loop settings you can try using the change duration editing function in the phrase edit section to shorten the notes, then use the micro to tidy things up.