808 and 909 JOINT BUG REPORT: notes and fx CUT across patter

[PipoTheClown]

I can't believe that Roland engineers don't know about this issue. I mean, it's soooo obvious. You can't make a song without noticing it.

[TOTAL]

Thank you bassman.




I think we need more action to secure success.

I was told by Roland Poland (unconfirmed by Hungary) that further system updates have been long abandoned, that even 1.03 was an add-in.


panicmerchant - Scotland
Dirk - Germany

PipoTheClown - Holland


Are you guys going to call your local Support?

[panicmerchant]

Sorry folks I'm out of here. This was the last straw for me. I am utterly hacked off with groovebox bugs etc and the tortoise like response from the manufacturers. I still cannot believe Roland have made this basic error. What are we paying hard cash for? Mine has gone back to the shop and my cash has been refunded thanks to the typically excellent service at Sound Control. I'm Moving to software. I have a Korg EMX and a Roland D2 for sale if anyone is interested. Both in mint condition................oh! I almost forgot... a 1 GB compact flash card suitable for MC 808's as well.....

[panicmerchant]

Sorry TOTAL I hadn't noticed your most recent post when I sent my last one. I will contact Rolandoughnuts UK to see what they say & leave a post. What do you think of my idea of selling up & moving to software? what you can get these days for only a little more than an 808 is pretty amazing. It can be done on a laptop too so you can still take it through and watch the telly as you write. There are also plenty of controllers for real time control etc. And you can update. I was a diehard groovebox fan- believe me. I really think their time is up. This latest glitch and my subsequent research has shown me this. You might want to take a look at what is available if you are not aware at the moment.

[TOTAL]

pm

Thanks for your care. If they get to know about this from Scotland, too - I think it increases our chances. I do appreciate it. Plus it mighut boost morale here. Ppl are willing to rant but not act.

As for your switching to a computer, I have just switched FROM it

I will write about it in a separate thread to keep this one digression free.

[PipoTheClown]

Hi,

Yesterday, despite the bug, I got my MC-808. And, although I really think Roland should fix the bug, I'm sooo pleased with this machine. I also have an mc-307, but this thing is a knock-out! I payed 799 Euro for it and that's good value for money, me thinks. Anyway, This week I will contact Roland(Holland) to report the bug here as well. I can see that software is the future, but for me the speed of creating beats and songs is the reason why I love grooveboxes over computers.

(And I do both anyway, so why should I choose?)

[Drumfix]

What i recently discovered is, if you have a pattern, where you have a part, that you want to sustain into the next pattern, this
work under the following conditions:
the next pattern does not contain any data in that part AND that
part is currently selected with the select buttons.

Another observation. The reverb section does not cut off, if
the effect is not changed. I.e. using the delay hidden inside there
it will not be cut off (and because its a send effect you can even
set the send level per part).

Both observations help only a litte, so the bugs should really
be sorted out by Roland, but at least offers a limited workaround.

[TOTAL]

I especially like the second one. Cool and practical.


As for the campaign, I have been informed by R Poland that R Eastern Europe have written to Japan regarding the infamous bug.

I wonder what strategy would be best now:

1. start compiling a list of other, minor bugs *

2. the above plus some realistic wishlist (Librarian, deeper hardware menu)

3. just make Roland focus on the primary thing.


Suggestions and comments welcome.


Cheers

T

_______________

* There aren't any serious bugs other than sustain bug, are they?

[dr_boehm]

Hi community,

i believe that a ranked list sorted by priority would be the best. If a developer gets some time to work on the mc-808, he may fix a minor bug on the way too. Developer often like to fix many bugs in a short time

I do not believe that roland will do anything more than the most substantial bug fixes, so do not wait for a librarian, develop your own one Maybe the guys selling the fantom librarian would like to adopt it for our beloved mc-808...

Ciao, Dirk

[TOTAL]

Would anybody be willing to handle the bug list compilation?

[panicmerchant]

Roland UK work on a 'callback' system- my appointed time is Friday 4-5 pm BST though they have already let me down. Is there any other bugs to report anyway? Could someone tell me how effective Drumfix's -send it with the reverb- idea is? I'm kind of going off the idea of moving to software. I'm thinking about getting an 808 again and also an E-mu XL-7 to carry my echo/ sustain parts.

[TOTAL]

Yes, the Reverb Trick works.

Only that you get two kinds of delay - simple delay and pandelay.

None of the two has sync option, so their possible usage is limited.


Another downside to this trick is that note sustain is cut anyway.

As far as I remember this is not the case with Fantoms.

Good luck w/callback.

[TOTAL]

I think I'd better move it to a separate thread.

[Drumfix]

Note sustain:

As written already you can make one part sustain into the next pattern if that part in the next pattern doesn't contain any data.

So by moving a motiv between two patterns between say part
1 and 2, you can play sustained notes throughout a complete song.
Adding the ability to assign the tones of a patch to different keyzones,
using the per tone pitch adjustment to compensate for the keyshift and
the tone switch buttons as suppemental mute buttons you can actually get up to 4 sustainable patches running in that single part.

Cutoff of delay:
Adding of a cheapo external effects unit and a cheapo mixer
with say two effects sends and route the parts to apply the effects on through the single outs helps alot on this front.

[panicmerchant]

No 'callback' from Roland UK again at my allocated time. I tried to phone them, put me on hold they did then put the phone down. When I phoned again I got the 'sorry we are cosed till Monday' The fanny thing is- when they pick up the phone they introduce themselves as 'customer service' Will try again next week.