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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby bluesplayer » 23:59, 28 June 2016

Credo wrote:OK, I took a closer look and here is everything in the dirverstore that Windows eventually accepted here.
rdif1045.inf_amd64_99fd7609b1056ea0.zip


Note, this is on a Windows 10 64bit installation...

In the archive above, you can see the exact rdif1045.inf file that Windows finally took for me.

Boot into the mode that allows unsigned drivers to be installed.

Unzip the package above and try installing the drivers from there with the "Windows Device Manager".

Here is my site of reference: http://superuser.com/questions/262012/h ... stallation


Thanks Credo
that "got 'er done"
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby MountainSide » 17:15, 22 September 2016

You guys are great! Its because of guys like you that we are able to keep alive great hardware synths like the Fantom XR. Credo's procedure worked great...but you have to be really careful and read the topic he posts at the top about changing how Win 10 handles driver signing. Without following this step carefully, I spent hours trying to get my XR to run in USB mode. After I went back and followed each of his steps and the all important first step about installing unsigned drivers in Win 10 everything worked out great...and in less than 10 minutes...I really need to work on my reading and comprehension a bit!

By the way, my system worked great until last night when Microsoft decided to push an unwanted Win 10 update down my throat! Reset everything back to default Win 10 options, including this all important Fantom XR driver.

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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby Credo » 13:56, 26 September 2016

MountainSide wrote:You guys are great! Its because of guys like you that we are able to keep alive great hardware synths like the Fantom XR. Credo's procedure worked great...but you have to be really careful and read the topic he posts at the top about changing how Win 10 handles driver signing. Without following this step carefully, I spent hours trying to get my XR to run in USB mode. After I went back and followed each of his steps and the all important first step about installing unsigned drivers in Win 10 everything worked out great...and in less than 10 minutes...I really need to work on my reading and comprehension a bit!

By the way, my system worked great until last night when Microsoft decided to push an unwanted Win 10 update down my throat! Reset everything back to default Win 10 options, including this all important Fantom XR driver.

Mountainside


Same here. Some forced update wiped out a bunch of drivers for me! It also forced all my custom default apps to the the Edge browser, and blew away a year's worth of tweaking and optimizations! It restarted all the stupid cloud services that I went to great lengths to DISABLE for a reason :(

My nice lean 250meg in 20 seconds boot is now back up to 4 gig 10 minute boot process....and now my darn screen blacks out at random times, cpu spikes all over the place, etc. What a bloody mess!

I was able to reinstall the Fantom X drivers by simply downloading my driverstore zip earlier in this thread, and booting windows in Advanced mode (7. Allow unsigned drivers).

What ever gave Microsoft the idea to remove drivers during an 'update' without at least ASKING if you want to do this? So WRONG Microsoft!

The Fantom is working again, but I still have to reinstall all my elicencer stuff! This last Windows 10 update broke all my Dongleware! So....I can't run 80% of my DAW setup without spending all day redoing all this mess. Sigh....
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby rcraven » 01:29, 27 September 2016

Please don't take offense, but I don't understand the need to run at the 'bleeding edge' when you have music to write and perform.

Can't you turn off automatic updates in Win10?

After spending so much time getting Win7 64 to run well I am loathed to update when I see the constant stream of problems others are having.
I know a new PC comes with this thing installed, but it shouldn't take much to drop it back to an older version and turn off the updates.
It seems that over the past 35 years as the PC speeds up, MS does their best to slow it down.
Have you ever run one of the better older Win versions on a modern fast computer? It works pretty well.

I swore I wouldn't ever waste so much time on an OS again unless there is a good reason.
Is there an advantage that I don't understand?

All the best
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby Credo » 15:34, 27 September 2016

rcraven wrote:Please don't take offense, but I don't understand the need to run at the 'bleeding edge' when you have music to write and perform.

Can't you turn off automatic updates in Win10?

After spending so much time getting Win7 64 to run well I am loathed to update when I see the constant stream of problems others are having.
I know a new PC comes with this thing installed, but it shouldn't take much to drop it back to an older version and turn off the updates.
It seems that over the past 35 years as the PC speeds up, MS does their best to slow it down.
Have you ever run one of the better older Win versions on a modern fast computer? It works pretty well.

I swore I wouldn't ever waste so much time on an OS again unless there is a good reason.
Is there an advantage that I don't understand?

All the best
Royce


Been using Windows since 3.1, and I've NEVER endured an 'update' this 'intrusive'. In the past we always got information on updates before implementing them, and had control over when and if they got applied. One could easily lock down or delay updates. We could read what was coming down the pipe-line and 'prepare' for whatever changes might be in order. We could easily make and maintain multiple system drive images in case one needed to 'roll back' a week or so to avoid missing a work deadline. In the past, MS also did a much better job of 'importing' user settings from previous versions (or at least letting us know up front what might need to be 'redone' manually before accepting the update). We did NOT get any of this for this so called 'Anniversary' update. It simply went out and got whatever it needed in the background, and decided to install it on its own...at Microsoft's soul discretion.

With the 'Home' version...user control of updates doesn't seem to be an option any longer (at least not by default, without sordid and undocumented registry hacks, or potentially dangerous undocumented suspension of OS services)! Things were working fine on last Friday. This Monday morning I turned on the PC, and it went through an hour long grinding and rebooting process that just took over and pretty much did a fresh Windows installation that wiped drivers, system and network settings, and the list goes on! Even had I rolled back to an earlier image of Windows 10 via Dual Booting...it would have also begun to 'update itself'...thus corrupting my 'backup system drive image'.

Windows 10 Home edition doesn't have many advanced switches for getting control of the update process. Things may be a little different for the Professional version. In the past we didn't need the Pro version for an isolated DAW workstation in a home studio. I suppose things are different now.

I've Windows 10 Home here. I tried the free upgrade from Windows 7 for months on a fresh disk and things went really well! While there were a few things I missed from Windows 7, Windows 10 was more efficient and offered enough changes to the desktop to make me want to keep it (very nice multiple desktop management). Just when I was really getting comfortable with it, and had gained a pretty solid 'trust' in MS to manage it's update system (up to this point small updates had been coming in monthly, and they were always 'security patches' for the better [Fortunately I have AMD graphics so I didn't suffer the problem of broken NVIDIA drivers that kept being forced on folks with multiple screens]) this happened. I'm sure the updates are for the better in the long run, and once I reinstall every app, and get 'my settings' back in order performance and security will most likely be much better. Yes, I do still have a Windows 7 image, but it's at least a year old now (hasn't been used in all this time)....that old Windows 7 image goes way back to Cubase 7, Finale 2012, Sibelius 7.5, etc. I probably would not be able to open the projects I need NOW on it even if I tried.

I'm just a bit upset that I couldn't control and prepare for it all! It was jammed down my throat at a very inconvenient time! It took down system drivers without asking me! It overwrote network and firewall settings without asking me! It broke the registration process of nearly every Music app I have (especially those that use a hardware dongle)!
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby rcraven » 23:56, 27 September 2016

That's appalling.
It broke all your installations-
Did you post something to MS?
Any response?

They are bragging that 10 has had the biggest uptake of all the versions on Windows, but forgot to mention it was forced on most people.
I had to take over my brother's laptop in Perth (I'm in Melbourne) running Win7 as it was forcing an upgrade from Win7.

What is it with all these giant companies that they want to completely contol our lives.
I think I'll stay with 7 and flip over to Linux when I need multiple desktops.

Hope you can get it under control.

All the best
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby Credo » 00:55, 28 September 2016

rcraven wrote:That's appalling.
It broke all your installations-
Did you post something to MS?
Any response?

They are bragging that 10 has had the biggest uptake of all the versions on Windows, but forgot to mention it was forced on most people.
I had to take over my brother's laptop in Perth (I'm in Melbourne) running Win7 as it was forcing an upgrade from Win7.

What is it with all these giant companies that they want to completely contol our lives.
I think I'll stay with 7 and flip over to Linux when I need multiple desktops.

Hope you can get it under control.

All the best
Royce


The main thing I miss from Windows 7 is support for the old 'Stereo Mixer' for my onboard audio. My motherboard is pretty old, and while the audio chip-set on it does have some reference drivers for Windows 10...they no longer support that aggregated mixer portion of the audio matrix. It's not a deal breaker since my more pro level audio cards have multiple options for Mixing/Monitoring and easily take up the slack.

I loathed Windows 8 and 8.1. I used it on a few systems but avoided putting it on my DAW machine. Windows 8/8.1 were OK for a rig that's built around a touch interface, but down right horrible for a nice desk-top with high resolution monitors. Windows 10 got it right in terms of marrying the best of both worlds (touch screens, and high resolution desk-tops with pointing devices).

Other than losing the 'Stereo Mixer' on my cheap audio chipset, having to hack in a few drivers (such as this Fantom X thing) and this one particular 'Anniversary Update', I've had no problems. I've really found plenty to like about Windows 10. Namely the multiple desktop support.

I've read some complaints similar to my own over this particular update.....

I suppose I need to put things in perspective....
Windows 10 Home is really inexpensive compared to what XP, Vista, and Windows 7 Home sold for back during their prime. The 'Professional' version is priced about where 'XP/VISTA/7 Home' used to be, so I guess I should just spring for the 'Professional Version' or get used to the possibility of this sort of 'pushed update' happening again someday.

My understanding is that the Professional variant provides more options to analyze/control/rollback updates. I could gripe to Microsoft, but I'd imagine they'll just tell me to 'Buy the Professional version'.
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby Steve5000 » 20:41, 4 November 2016

Just as an additional data point, I used the steps outlined by mpcrabtree in his Oct 2015 post which summarized some of the guidance provided by Credo. I installed on Windows 10 on a Lenovo T460 laptop with my Fantom X7 and it worked perfectly. The only part I wasn't clear on is whether I can switch the OS back to checking for unsigned drivers now that I've installed this one (i.e. does Windows 10 re-check whether drivers are unsigned when for example you reboot).

Thanks to Credo, mpcrabtree and others on this thread for their help!! As an aside, I play in two different cover bands - one doing a combination of 80's/90's/00's dance tunes and one that's a David Bowie tribute band. The PC card reader on my X7 is no longer functional for some reason so the only way I can store and load the performance sets I need is using the Fantom Librarian.
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby Steve5000 » 20:43, 4 November 2016

I should also mention that I'm running Windows 10 Enterprise on a work-provided laptop (hope my employer doesn't spend time on this forum :-) I'm hoping I won't run into issues when our IT department pushes upgrades, etc.
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Re: Windows 10: How I got Fantom X USB Drivers to work...

Postby jeffd » 02:02, 7 February 2017

Shout out to Credo! Thanks Man! Also mpcrabtree you laid it out in a clear way to follow.

Finally got it working after over a year, at first I was to frustrated to make it work, but finally got the patience.

Bout to make a beat!
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