Rocness,
you and RayS have the absolutely same ridiculous arguments without the most basic disability to understand anything. Whatever argument you spit on here, it's just not worth to respond at all, but however, I have some time, so let the game continue.
Rocness wrote:
The truth is most of the talk over there is about the very poor quality of the Kronos .Korg's reputation is forever damaged .
As usual, you are lying in the same way as you did about your topic being moved to the general gear area, where you said it was abandoned. People talk about anything Kronos related and yes, problems with the keyboard are part of it. When the same happened here regarding the Fantom G, we were told that this is because people without problems don't post. And if Rolands reputation is not damaged by the fact that people complained for whole 4 years here, I doubt that Korgs reputation will be damaged.
Rocness wrote:Come on , it's true , now some people have a different OS then others because of the keybed . Some people get new keybeds and some people don't . What a mess , think about the resell value , it's all messed up now. How do you know if your getting a used Kronos with a new keybed or not. maybe with Kronos 2 they can get it right .
This is just one example how ridiculous your comments are. Some people have problems with their keybeds, and some don't. What the hell do you expect? That Korg should replace every single keybed regardless whether it's faulty or not? Resale value? A Kronos with the old but correct keybed will probably be in better shape than a heavily gigged Kronos with the new keybed after some years.
Rocness wrote:The small screen on the Kronos is just ridiculous , I can't believe Korg would release a product like that and now your going to depend on an editor to fix that .
The editor is not fixing the screen size which is among the biggest one on the market. You probably mean the font size. And again, some people are perfectly fine with the font size. BTW, I can't access certain functions at all on the Fantom G without the editor. And right now it doesn't even support one of the most popular DAW on the market. Where is your JP80 editor? What about seamless integration into the studio?
Rocness wrote: I guess Korg didn't have the vision to see the iPad explosion .
Have I missed something? Where are the iPad apps from Roland?
Rocness wrote:Then Korg forgot to put the pad triggers on the kronos so now you have to go buy a nano pad and hook it up and have it falling all over the place, now that's a shame because even the M3 had the pad triggers built in below the screen just like Oasys .
And again, where are the pads on the JP80? The Fantom S, X, G had it. Where is the serial FX connection? The Fantom X had it. Where are the keyboards from Roland which can take an ARX card. My ARX card manual talks about keyboards in the future which will be able to use them.
Rocness wrote:Did you learn anything from Namm 2012. I'll tell you what message Namm sent out loud and clear , people want there money's worth more than ever in this economy . So that means people want a product, that does what ever it does extremely well and efficient and is easy to use and is very well built . Like the Jupiter 80 , for all that it does the JP-80 does it extremely well efficient intuitive and is very easy to use, for the Jp-80 to be so easy to use it is also mysteriously deep .
You again with your "mysterious/mysteriously" speech. Who are you to know what people want?
Go to
www.thomann.de one of the biggest european online seller (you can choose english from the first page) and look what sales rank has the Kronos and Jupiter 80. Kronos is on place 3 while the Jupiter 80 is on 72. That difference speaks volumes and you can continue with your nonsense what people want.
Rocness wrote:The Jupiter 80 gives you a whole pallet of sounds acoustic and synth , with Supernatural expression where a guitar sound like a real freakin guitar and a horn sounds like a real frekin horn (try the mute trumpet on the JP-80 instant Miles Davis ) with unbelievable VA synths and great sound design facilities including all of Roland legendary synth sounds and layering upon layering upon layering .With the best pad sound in the business that works great in a mix. The supernatural sounds are so good that if you play it right, people will think it's the real thing (just amazing) .
I have the ARX brass card on my Fantom G. And unlike the JP80 it has tons of parameters compared to what is offered on the JP80. The brass section is nothing to write home about. Some simple sample based brasses sound better. Yes, some solo sounds are deep and expressive, but overall, it's far away from what you are trying to tell us here. The Jp80 can't even do a proper hammond organ because of its limitations on the effect section.
Rocness wrote: I won't even get into the Tone Blender ,it's just sick, it's like having a professional sound designer at the push of a bottom and a turn of a knob .
Tone blender is something that Korg uses for at least 15 years on their workstations. Welcome to reality.
Rocness wrote:People don't want to pay for something that they will never use like a out dated sequencer that a ipad app can out perform and look good while doing it to.
Thanks god, you are not people. The Motif does well, the Kronos does well. Even Roland makes some money with their sequencer included keyboards. Just look at the Juno line.
Rocness wrote:The Oasys owners have been begging Korg for years to fix there sequencer and The Kronos was there chance to do it but Korg put the same out dated sequencer in there.
What do you care about the sequencer if you just said that every iPad app is better? Just stop making a fool of yourself. You are just hate driven and completely out of reality. Fantom G users were begging Roland to fix some of incredibly limited features on the FG like the crappy file system and nothing happens at all. Even the JP80 got the same nonsense in first place.
Rocness wrote:I mean just look at the Kronos graphics .
looking at these pic, you would think that the Fantom came out way after the kronos but the Fantom has been out for years before the kronos so you tell me who's really ahead of the game .
What is this about? You don't like its look so you judge who is ahead of the game like a little boy? Once again: Kronos sales rank:3 - Jupiter 80 sales rank: 73. Let me explain it to you: when thomann.de sells 100 keyboards, 33 are a Kronos right now. And 1 (one) is a Jupiter 80. That's 33 to 1.
Great one! Besides the graphics, let me ask you, where is the Solo button on the Fantom G? How do I solo one track or part among hundreds to make some isolated edits without listening to the rest? There is no Solo button on the FG. Fancy graphics on the UI and some engineers who are to stupid to put even the most basic function there.
Rocness wrote:Look , don't get me wrong I like Korg, I think The Oasys is one of the best Synth's ever made .
The Oasys never had any hardware or software problems , it's actually a work of art IMHO . The Kronos = Fail IMHO .
The Kronos costs less than half of the price of a Oasys. Why would you compare the Oasys at all to the Kronos? The Kronos is a successor for the M3 and not for the Oasys. The Oasys gave you that technology almost 7 years ago. Now, it becomes cheaper and Korg offers it to the mainstream workstation buyers. In the same way like Roland sells now the JP80 for the still overpriced price at 3000 Euros while an ARX card costed 500 and now dropped to just 100. It's not even available any more officially! Imagine, they still sell the Fantom G as their current workstation, and they don't offer the expansions anymore. There are no updates, no new arx cards, no improvements on the system, no updates on the editor to make it compatible with the current software. Nothing. And Roland still sales the FG for just 200 bucks less then the Kronos. You should really reconsider your complains on Korg.
Rocness wrote:The bottom line is that Korg cut corners on the Kronos and it's showing .
The same with some Roland products. Absolutely zero difference. It's fine to have a keyboard built like a tank. But that will not make it more usable nor a better keyboard overall. And absolutely nobody knows how to screw things up like Roland.
