Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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Okay its finaly released
compared to the G is 2 times the poly and got supernatural..
but for the price..??
$3000
why would anyone purchase one instead of getting an ebay G or Kronos for less????
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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Because I don't need extensive FM modulation :)

Everything else seems to be tough very close battle and I may say I don't like sound of new KORG products that much comparing to Roland. Or at least, that's how it was up 'til now.
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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My thought:
I would never purchase this thing over a G or Kronos or in fact Motif or even PC3K. Maybe as a second keyboard, but definitely not as my main and only keyboard on stage.
Regardless how good the Jupiter maybe sounds, at some point, sooner or later, I have to use my own samples. Not to replace the internal, but to add all stuff which is not covered by the factory ROM. And thinking global, I would say that this is an important thing to most live players who play things beyond the usual us/uk pop-rock.
That for the beginning is the main reason why I don't even think about buying this. But it amazes me again how Roland fails to understand some things now for the third time: remember the original Fantom without sampling and its "success". Remember the complainings when the FG was released and how fast they had to implement the ability to load multisampling.
And now they create a completely closed system. Yet again.
Just as a comparison:
Imagine for example you need a specific accordion at one time for one of your show/gig. And imagine there is no accordion in the Jupiter. There is nothing you can do on that part, and this thing is dedicated to live performers.
Imagine you have to trigger different samples, a sampled song intro, or ending, or anything else. Not possible on the Jupiter.
I didn't see a usb connector on the backside for external usb media on it. Does this mean that I can't even load my own patches, without using an external library editor?
Then, why this synthesis structure? There are two live sets which can be combined together and each live set consists of up to four tones.
Great, whats wrong with having one live set with up to 8 tones as it's on the Fantom G?
Korg or Kurzweil didn't change their structure (program vs combination/setup) for over twenty years. And why should they. It simply works.
Roland changes its terminology and structure on every new keyboard: tone, patch, single mode, patch mode...

This would be my ideal Jupiter 80:
having great sounds (as the Jupiter probably has), at least 8 part splits/layers in on single live mode, a lot of memory (at least 500 as on the FG), ability to load own samples to flash, a mature file system, a mature favorite mode with 100 or even 200 groups of 16 slots (not 16 groups as on the FG) where I could program one group for one song and load my own text for each single song I play, that would be my ideal performing keyboard.
Certainly not what Roland has actually presented on the show.
As I said. Great for a second keyboard on stage, but for that purpose I don't spend 3000 bucks.
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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95% of responders to this thread never heard the Kronos or Jupiter-80. People here are, for the most part, just spec sheet masturbators :-)
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spec sheet masturbators
wow!!!!
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I AM wrote:
spec sheet masturbators
wow!!!!
Well, but it's true.
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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I think that both of these synths have to be tried for about 2-3 days in a row to get some slight impression of what they are capable of.
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Artemiy wrote:95% of responders to this thread never heard the Kronos or Jupiter-80. People here are, for the most part, just spec sheet masturbators :-)
You mean, spec sheep masturbators!
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V-Cee, as long as it's a self-inflatable sheep... will work fine :-)
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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LOL!!! Art

To answer the question I'd say... why not?

I would purchase the Jupiter-80 over a G if I didn't need a sequencer, a sampler, and 16 part multi-timbral sound source. So, would I buy it over a G as my main keyboard? Obviously not. That's a silly question.

Would I buy if I had the money as a ad on to my current G8 setup? Hell yeah. I love new synths and new ways to build sounds. Do I need it now? No, I'd do it for just pure synth porn :-)

Would I buy it over a Kronos? Althought I still have not heard the Kronos, for what I know, No, I would buy a G ;-)
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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Quinnx. wrote:but for the price..??
$3000
why would anyone purchase one instead of getting an ebay G or Kronos for less????
It's not going to cost $3000 USD. It's going to cost 3000 euros. If you live in the USA it will cost you $4,266.
I wouldn't buy any of them tbh.
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@hoodedclaw:
UK/Europe and US prices are not immediately connected by the exchange rate. And almost always the US price is lower if you convert it to UKP or EUR.
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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I think this is a fair question,

i think veeceeoh covered it but If i could only have one board then i think the answer is no..
a) sequencer
If i had to I could live without the sequencer while at home, but i still use it extensively while practicing songs at home (without the PC) and every time when out as a "playback sequencer".... so that i can change mix, mute/unmute parts etc..
b) GM/16 part multitimbral
Obviously i havent read the manual yet, but this is a necessity if i only have one board.
c) sampling
of course..

so between the kronos and G6 then its devil i know vs the one i dont.. if kronos is decently as advertised then conceivably it could replace both the fantom G6 and the S70xs for me.. but it seems only the folks in the korg forums think it will be released without bugs..lol

would i like a JP-80 to play with? oh hell yeah.. but then again i would like a v-synth gt too :)


p.s. to "hoodedclaw" that is LIST price..my guess would be oh, say $3699 US street price
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Re: Why would you purchase an 80 over a G or Kronos?

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Wow!
@ 3000 euro is it suppose to be that great??

its not analogue or VA
its sample based but you cannot do sampling

Layering
you can do that in abundance with the G

Supernatural..
can be closely emulated with proper programing of the G
an not required for creating modern music..

256 poly (is it realy worth 3000 euro just for that)

as far as sonically how it sounds..
from what i heard in the videos its not any better than the fantom..
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Quinnx. wrote: Supernatural..
can be closely emulated with proper programing of the G
an not required for creating modern music..
You have no ears!
from what i heard in the videos its not any better than the fantom..
You have no soul!
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