Another Classic name used for a crap synth

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Re: Another Classic name used for a crap synth

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Jupiter8fan wrote:My first impressions of the Jupiter 80 were, to be honest, not that great. However I did a bit of research and watched some of the demo videos of the Jupiter 80 and must say it's sounds impressed me a great deal. I think Roland are on the right track with their modeling technology. I was disappointed mainly with the lack of real time controls, especially when in comparison with the Korg Kronos. But I'm sure it's something I would get used too. Also I think the coloring and design would need some time before I warm to it.
After looking at the pictures posted, I think that both the Touch Screen and the 4 Buttons beneath the Screen would be capable of giving enough Real Time Controls. At least I hope so :->
Jupiter8fan wrote: In terms of usage of the name "Jupiter", I think a lot of people don't realize that at the time of the Jupiter 8's release it represented the best Roland had to offer. So I think that they are justified in releasing this new Jupiter under that name. I think there is a lot of unnecessary hype over analog synthesizers these days. What a lot of people don't understand is that they were very restricted in sounds they could produce, had unstable tuning and many other flaws. Don't get me wrong, some analog synthesizers are great, but this ignorant opinion that goes around at the moment; everything digital is "crap" is ridiculous.
Fully agree !!!
Back in the 80's (1983), I ran a small company that produced Professional Mixers, PA Amplifiers and Rack and Floor Effect processors, and our last product, that never saw the light of day, was a Polyphonic Digital Synthesizer, with Key Touch Sensitivity controlled by a 8047 Intel Microcomputer, and with three sections - A Poly Part that emulated Pianos, Clavs and Strings, where all waveforms for the Tone creation were digitalized sampled waveforms from real instruments. An Organ Part, made using an High Stability Oscillator (Cristal Controlled), and Digital Dividers to produce all the Octaves (8), together with Digital additive filtering to produce the Bars, and Analogue Filtering for Tone adjust. And finally a third part - the Analogue part, that was initially really analogue, but due to the instability and drift problems, we decided to go for an all Digital, including the Oscillators, LFO's, DCF's, DCA and ADSRs, so I really know what you mean :-).

Due to the hard competition from the big brands and no money to invest, was too much for us and we decided to shutdown the company, before we started to lose money. The synth never came out from the prototype boards...
Jupiter8fan wrote: That being said, my dream workstation/synthesizer would be one that combines VA, Modeling, Analog, FM, Sampling etc. all in one keyboard.
Don't think the JP-80 is what you're looking for then... maybe the Kronos, that is more similar to your "dream machine" :-)

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I was waiting for the next VA synth from Roland (the SH-201 was good and the Gaia is ok). When I heard they had released "Jupiter 80" I was excited. The sounds from the original Jupiters were amazing. I was so dis-hardened when I saw it was a workstation. Roland really needs to step-it-up and stop making these workstations. Just release all your work stations under the Fantom series and leave it at that. The Juno workstations are not that great either.

Make us a VA that can go head-to-head with the Virus, Moog, Nord, and Radias.
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Analogue synthesizers have a character of their own. The biggest chalenge for a VA is to capture that character and go beyond. Most of the actual ones do it good soundwise but there's a special feeling on working with analog synthesizers that have to do with the smell and warmth of the AC current running the circuits and driving the sound that can't be compared with any VA. I know this may sound a little poethic but if you've been there you know what I'm talking about :-)
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DaniH wrote:I was waiting for the next VA synth from Roland (the SH-201 was good and the Gaia is ok). When I heard they had released "Jupiter 80" I was excited. The sounds from the original Jupiters were amazing. I was so dis-hardened when I saw it was a workstation. Roland really needs to step-it-up and stop making these workstations. Just release all your work stations under the Fantom series and leave it at that. The Juno workstations are not that great either.

Make us a VA that can go head-to-head with the Virus, Moog, Nord, and Radias.
Ehm, the Jupiter 80 is not a workstation, mate... And I wouldn't pass judgement on it, as to wether or not it'll compare to the nord and radias (not counting the parts where it just smokes them!) before I've tried it out myself...
V-CeeOh wrote:Analogue synthesizers have a character of their own. The biggest chalenge for a VA is to capture that character and go beyond. Most of the actual ones do it good soundwise but there's a special feeling on working with analog synthesizers that have to do with the smell and warmth of the AC current running the circuits and driving the sound that can't be compared with any VA. I know this may sound a little poethic but if you've been there you know what I'm talking about
Nothing wrong with being a little religious when it comes to your instruments... :P
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DaniH wrote:Roland really needs to step-it-up and stop making these workstations. Just release all your work stations under the Fantom series and leave it at that. The Juno workstations are not that great either.

Make us a VA that can go head-to-head with the Virus, Moog, Nord, and Radias.
Do you have the slightest idea about the market, user base, what people buy in big numbers and what is a niche product?
Do you really think Roland should stop producing those things where they get the biggest money, and start to produce yet another VA among hundreds if not thousands already on the market, just to make you and a couple of others happy?
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PauloF wrote:
V-CeeOh wrote:
PauloF wrote:And I was 19 and just started to play Guitars and Bass...
Which you know nothing of.... ;-)
Exactly !!
Eu também não!
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@ DaniH

What on EARTH are you talking about?.. (i am sorry, but that is as nice as i can put this)

The Juno G, which was an awesome workstation for the budget/home studio market has been discontinued and was "replaced" by the Juno Gi, which is not promoted or advertised by Roland as a workstation, because it is not.

Funnily enough, the JP-80 is also not promoted or advertised by Roland as a workstation... and that is (strangely) because it also is not..

So, unless you wish me to include and discuss the BOSS pedals and piano benches then we can reasonably conclude (i really REALLY hope we can) that Roland currently produces only ONE workstation.. the Fantom G... and that is three years old.

Are you happy now?.. Roland is doing exactly what YOU want
DaniH wrote:I was waiting for the next VA synth from Roland (the SH-201 was good and the Gaia is ok). When I heard they had released "Jupiter 80" I was excited. The sounds from the original Jupiters were amazing. I was so dis-hardened when I saw it was a workstation. Roland really needs to step-it-up and stop making these workstations. Just release all your work stations under the Fantom series and leave it at that. The Juno workstations are not that great either.

Make us a VA that can go head-to-head with the Virus, Moog, Nord, and Radias.
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I would have to agree! I thought that guy was a little Loony!

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Funny how this thread, wich is more or less about teaching the ignorant simple facts about the world and roland in particular. remains the most active thread in the jp80 forum :P
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Python wrote:Funny how this thread, wich is more or less about teaching the ignorant simple facts about the world and roland in particular. remains the most active thread in the jp80 forum :P
LoL

Indeed ;-)
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Let me explain why I called it a workstation. I spend a good amount of time at Sam Ash. When I was talking to the keyboard specialist I commented on the Jupiter 80 and he stated that it was a workstation. As for the "Juno workstationS" yes that was my ignorance.

Roland really needs to stop using the greatest legacy names for these synths unless they are going to recreate them not just use their names. Almost like they did with the SH-201 but better.
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IT IS NOT A WORKSTATION!!!!!


*bangs head on wall repeatedly*
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DaniH wrote:Roland really needs to stop using the greatest legacy names for these synths unless they are going to recreate them not just use their names. Almost like they did with the SH-201 but better.
Roland has thoroughly explaine the choice of name. No further explanation shuld be needed.
Of course Roland should use the names of the past. It is called "marketing".
Why wuld they ever recreate any synth? I'm so sick of people saying "it should have been like the waldorf or moog or original jupiter" or whatever! If that's what you want, nobody stand in your way to buy one!
What part of the Jupiter 8 do you feel they have neglegted to recreate/develop??
The instrument sounds? Wich is both the SuperNatural sounds, they wanted to createback then AND the oldschool sounds they DID create bck then? or is it the Synth part, wich thy have thoroughly recreated along with a bunch f others, while adding flexibility,horsepower and waveforms to the masses??
Please enlighten me. PLEASE!

But I guess your "Workstation" statement pretty much reveals your knowledge of this product...
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Please go wash your mouth out with a buck-shot.
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PauloF wrote:
Python wrote:Funny how this thread, wich is more or less about teaching the ignorant simple facts about the world and roland in particular. remains the most active thread in the jp80 forum :P
LoL

Indeed ;-)
Not only the most active JP-80 thread, but also getting nasty... ;-)

And all because Roland decided to call it JUPITER and some don't agree...go figure
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