If they've been selling well, why would Roland stop makin' 'em?Happy wrote:Retail store said they bought the last batch I7's recently and no more will be supplied from Roland.
Unless... there's a new model on its way!
If they've been selling well, why would Roland stop makin' 'em?Happy wrote:Retail store said they bought the last batch I7's recently and no more will be supplied from Roland.
That is pretty pesimistic but Roland has developed new technology and made changes to their synthesis along with their restructuring period. Look at the AIRA line with ACB technology and the the new JD line with Roland releasing synths with analog again.lol wrote: There are more chances Roland actually ceases making musical instruments, than there are Roland is curently developping a new set of sounds and technology for immediate release.
Of course Roland is not yet out of its crisis, but the first link you point at shows that, at least, there was a profit in the business year ending March 2014 again after a loss the year before. BTW, the European branch was dissolved just a year ago. IMO, the 2014 management buyout you are referring to is more a positive than a negative thing, it was designed to enable the management to act more independently and not be controlled by the short-term profit interests of shareholders any more.lol wrote:That is simple maths, look at the bottom of this page, despite the increase in sales with the market opening to current Supernatural technology derived products (from flagship models to entry levels), Roland is still loosing big money. There are more chances Roland actually ceases making musical instruments, than there are Roland is curently developping a new set of sounds and technology for immediate release. At the moment they are just and only focused on trying to save their entire buisness, a couple of years ago they simply cut the european branch responsible for the development, relocating to China, in 2014 the historical owner decided to opt out and sold his shares to the management
Wow.lol wrote:... they just have nothing else to show right now, and we'd be lucky already if Roland musical instruments still existed in 5 years from now, so you'd better stop whinning and imploring, it just won't happen, end of the story.
Monkey Man wrote:Wow.lol wrote:... they just have nothing else to show right now, and we'd be lucky already if Roland musical instruments still existed in 5 years from now, so you'd better stop whinning and imploring, it just won't happen, end of the story.
If there's a follow-up release, I'll "replay" this quote to you, brother.
lol wrote:Even the RD-800 was a slight upgrade from RD-700 series...
Irrelevant. It's obvious "strong" R&D isn't required for an update to this model. All I (and I assume others) are hoping for is more of the same, really. Just more crammed into the box.lol wrote:Besides, I should add, if they really did have a strong R&D dept at the moment...
... and making a sweet killing from that market alone. Still you claim there'd be no capital for R&D? Ridiculous, and as stated, there's no (significant) R&D requirement for an INTEGRA update.lol wrote:They're telling you, the market to conquer is now China, only place in the world with a strong middle class growth. Redux models, entry level gears, affordable goods, that's what they'll be designing for now.
Well, if there's ever going to be a follow-up model, it's good business practice to withhold as much of that stuff as you can get away with; all the more reason to upgrade. They have been getting away with it of course; sales figures confirm this.lol wrote:... shouldn't they be able to offer fixes and long overdue updates to their current product lines, for issues and missing options/functions people keep complaining about? Someone was asking about the possibility to edit the cc numbers on the Integra-7, that kind of fixes, do we see them coming? No we don't...
I suspect my explanation is closer to the truth. All those empty suits rocking up to work hard for Roland every day would be shocked to learn that they're merely creating an illusion for an empty shell.lol wrote:... and the reason to that is very crude : the development teams are gone with the wind, Roland is like an empty shell right now, plenty of old merchandise to sell, hardly enough spirit remaining to play the mere illusion of business as usual...
Before you jump to conclusions as to our collective naivety and ages, best perhaps to think about what it is we're hoping for. We're not anticipating ground-breaking strides with a new INTEGRA. Dare I say it again, but simply more of the same. Expanded. More powerful, but still "merely" an INTEGRA. Oh, and whilst I can't speak for others, I'm certainly not too young, brother. I like to think that the many-lifetimes' worth of pain and suffering I've crammed into 50 years hasn't been for nicks... and it hasn't. I see no harm in continuing to hope for the best. Nobody's going to die if a new model doesn't come to fruition, but giving up hope only makes for a more desolate existence IMHO. I mean, if there's a possibility your favourite piece of gear will be improved, acknowledging this surely can't do any harm, right? Will you acknowledge that it's a possibility? It seems not.lol wrote:... either you're too young to know, or too naive...
Thank you for the encouragement, lol. I certainly will, and so too will some others.lol wrote:But dream on, dream on...