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Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 22:40, 14 January 2018
by gypsymoth
Hi

I'm desperate to find a patch librarian for my System 8 - don't want to overwrite what's already there but don't want to lose my hard work when I switch the thing off.

A suggested solution has been to use the Roland Cloud System 8 VST. Fine. I've logged into cloud, opened the VST in Ableton and it appears in all its ugly glory

In Settings I've got MIDI Control Input System 8 System 8 CTRL etc (see attached), and the physical System 8 works fine from a midi point of view

But when I press 'GET', I get a message saying "MIDI Communication Failed"

It's driving me mental. Any ideas why this might be happening? Genuinely considering binning the S8 because its such a bad patch management system

Thanks

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 18:21, 15 January 2018
by papasan
Do you have a USB hub in the middle? I couldn't load a plugin with a USB hub attached. I had to directly connect the S-8 to the PC.

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 10:08, 16 January 2018
by gypsymoth
papasan wrote:Do you have a USB hub in the middle? I couldn't load a plugin with a USB hub attached. I had to directly connect the S-8 to the PC.
Hi. Yes I do. Tried going direct to my iMac the other day with no luck. What I might try is going direct AND choosing ‘System 8’ as a MIDI device rather than ‘SYSTEM 8 CTRL’

Thanks

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 05:32, 19 January 2018
by Picoronut
I do not use it. I want to know how I can do it. To make it available

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 15:44, 30 January 2018
by HP_filter
Wish I can offer some assitance but I too, am having the exact same issue. Maybe someone on the thread can help us with this.

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 16:29, 30 January 2018
by Manic
It is correct to set both the midi input and output to System-8 CTRL in the VSTi settings.

Just removing the hub should be sufficient.

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 23:10, 30 January 2018
by thartnett
Direct USB connection to computer
Click SETTING button.
Choose "SYSTEM-8 CTRL" for both MIDI CTRL Input and Output.

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 11:08, 31 January 2018
by Manic
Oh and DO NOT enable the System-8 CTRL as a midi device in your DAW

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 18:41, 31 January 2018
by rcmusic35
gypsymoth wrote:Hi

but don't want to lose my hard work when I switch the thing off.



Thanks
so the very first thing is to backup to a SD card. copy a copy of this backup on you PC. now you have 2 backups of your hard work. Now you can test the librarian without any risk....

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 14:24, 13 February 2018
by Happy
That's what you get when you abandon good old Sysex. SD cards, PC file copying and Cloud Lock-in.

Re: Trying and failing to use S8 VST as a Librarian. Help!

Posted: 13:03, 23 March 2018
by Morganix
gypsymoth wrote:Hi
In Settings I've got MIDI Control Input System 8 System 8 CTRL etc (see attached), and the physical System 8 works fine from a midi point of view

But when I press 'GET', I get a message saying "MIDI Communication Failed"
Thanks
There's a good chance you may get things to work out if you load the System 8 VST-plugin in the Steinberg VST3PluginTestHost, as discussed here:

Plug-Out from Steinberg VST3PluginTestHost

Download and un-zip the VST 3.6.9 Audio Plug-Ins SDK from here, and install the VST3PluginTestHost_x64.