Quick Fantom 6 MIDI/Logic question

[Ice_Engine]

Greetings! New Fantom 6 (v2.5) user here.

I apologize in advance if this has been talked about, I am not having any luck finding the answer at all.

I have Logic Pro and everything MIDI-wise seems to be set up properly without issue.

My goal: To be able to have a MIDI pattern in Logic play the entire scene and not just 1 channel per zone.

For example, let's say I have a scene/patch on the Fantom that uses 6 zones. If I press a C-note on the embedded keyboard on the Fantom, it plays all 6 zones simultaneously as a polyphonic patch. Now, if I press that same C-note in the Logic external instrument MIDI pattern, it only plays the tone from Zone 1 and none of the other zones. Even when I select the MIDI out channel to "All" it only plays Zone 1. If I change it to MIDI channel 2 it plays only Zone 2 and so on.

I want to have the Logic MIDI pattern play the entire scene from pressing one note as if it was using the embedded keyboard.

I hope that makes sense and thank you so much for any help, I am trying so hard to figure this one out!

[FGM]

No idea, not using any DAW. but....

Generic/Vendor driver will give you just MIDI for Generic and MIDI+Audio for Vendor. Changing drivers under SYSTEM menu will requiere to WRITE and then reboot your Fantom.

Stereo recording will requiere to select 1+2 in Logic.

USB Mix/Parallel will give you a mixture of all zones that will be placed on zone 1 if Mix (all zones will be heard when selecting zone 1 individually); and will just place each zone to each zone, separately, if Parallel (zone 1 wil play just zone 1).

https://macprovideo.com/article/logic-p ... gic-part-1

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MAjxzzVGk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=920gbkzs270

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9bs1of5vY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1sNQPUXR0rk

[Ice_Engine]

Thank you for that info. I appreciate it.

Unfortunately that did not seem to do the trick. I tried MIX/PARALLEL and GENERIC/VENDOR (rebooted)

I feel I'm missing something so obvious as this cannot be that peculiar of a scenario.

For example, on my Fantom 6 I choose patch A003 "Something Air". It has 6 zones loaded up all mixed together and when I push down on a note on the Fantom keyboard, it plays all 6 zones in a giant lush patch like it should.

I simply want to do this while on the MIDI editor (piano roll) in Logic, just push 1 key on the piano roll and it plays all zones of the patch like the Fantom keyboard does.

It seems stuck at 1 MIDI channel per zone (which is fine for many applications)

[FGM]

As I said before, am not using any DAW, but I have always seen manuals saying Fantom can control Logic, but have not seen them saying the other way around.

I have a wireless MIDI connection (CME have great products for that) from Fantom to my Yamaha CVP-96 and while Fantom can control the CVP-96, adding 16 external zones, it is not possible to control Fantom from the CVP-96.

"By using the Logic/MainStage plug-in, you can control Logic Pro X or MainStage from the FANTOM ."

https://www.roland.com/uk/support/by_pr ... 17741c562/

Anyway, I might be grabbing those words wrongly, in a single direction, too specifically, as English is not my mother tongue.

Another link...?

https://9to5mac.com/2015/07/19/logic-ho ... l-plug-in/

This one could help...
https://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/qu ... audio-6054

Or this one...Overview of the Piano Roll Editor in Logic Pro.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/l ... 111b0d/mac

[mostinif]

Hi Ice_engine:

My goal: To be able to have a MIDI pattern in Logic play the entire scene and not just 1 channel per zone.

For example, let's say I have a scene/patch on the Fantom that uses 6 zones. If I press a C-note on the embedded keyboard on the Fantom, it plays all 6 zones simultaneously as a polyphonic patch. Now, if I press that same C-note in the Logic external instrument MIDI pattern, it only plays the tone from Zone 1 and none of the other zones. Even when I select the MIDI out channel to "All" it only plays Zone 1. If I change it to MIDI channel 2 it plays only Zone 2 and so on.

I want to have the Logic MIDI pattern play the entire scene from pressing one note as if it was using the embedded keyboard.

The reason is due each zone is mapped to a different MIDI Channel. By default, zone 1 receives midi messages from channel 1, and so forth. Then your Logic sends a "Note On" midi message to a specific channel you setted up in your DAW. The dirty way is config on Fantom each zone to "listen" the same Midi channel (for example channel 1) , using the Zone menu .

Best regards,
Flavio

[Ice_Engine]

Just want to thank FGM and mostinif for the great links and reading material, I have learned a lot!

I'm starting to think that what I want to do is not really possible. :(

Changing the Zone MIDI to channel 1 for the all the various zones is very close, but creates really peculiar results sonically, I'm guessing that there is some internal automation happening that the MIDI is not capturing compared to using the Fantom keyboard without MIDI.

[FGM]

I don't think it is not possible after reading a bit, while still not being interested in using a DAW.

But perhaps one thing is using a piano roll to see, edit notes, and quite another using the DAW to use virtual instruments or hardware instruments that are added as virtual and with as many MIDI channels as needed to match those available in the real thing.Then you use the keyboard, not the piano roll, otherwise velocity, delays, aftertouch, would be lost, most probably "creating really peculiar results sonically", and lacking that "internal automation" (happening before) " that the MIDI is not capturing" (now), wouldn't they?

I love so much those little nuances Fantom brings into scene as soon as you work for a while. So beautiful.

Some virtual instrument sellers also do offer hardware to control the DAW...

https://www.native-instruments.com/es/catalog/komplete/

Anyway, I better stop talking about things that have so far never used...
In fact I would like to, and very much: a 55/65 inch touch monitor in front of my Fantom showing its screen and the DAW and lots of virtual instruments (want all available from a to z) and adjustments to play with...

Montage already accepts external monitors, let's see what Roland brings...

Also, when deciding what synth I would buy, and thinking Montage was too deep for me after studying it for months, I finally bought Fantom.

According to Yamaha, Montage can be set on many different MIDI modes, precisely what you were looking for on Fantom & Logic.:

MIDI I/O Mode = Multi — All MONTAGE Parts are on separate MIDI Channels. Means multiple Receive//multiple Transmit Channels. The Channel # corresponds to the Part #. This matches Fantom behaviour.

MIDI I/O Mode = Single — All KBD CTRL Parts are on a single, selectable, Channel. Single means a single channel is used to Receive and Transmit - allows all KBD CTRL linked Parts work as a group. An external controller that transmits on just one channel at a time can play MONTAGE’s multiple Parts, simultaneously. This was your aim...

MIDI I/O Mode = Hybrid — This is a combination of the previous two I/O Modes (Multi+Single). The KDB CTRL linked Parts are addressable on a single selected Channel; and all other non-linked Parts behave like multi; they receive and transmit on their correspondingly numbered channel.Yes, it is a Yamaha Montage !!!! You go deeper and deeper and deeper again as you turn each and every corner, non stop !!!!

Planning to buy one as soon as they make the screen dimmable !!!! 🤪🤪🤪🤪 In my Fantom both, screen and leds, are at the lowest available brightness.
Mmmm.... would they nicely add free sungless to the pack ?

[Devnor]

I'm starting to think that what I want to do is not really possible. :(

Definitely possible.

Create tracks for each tone you want to control. External midi, click use external instrument, ascending order
Open midi environment
In mixer view, click new physical input. Then click new monitor.
Drag output of the physical input to the monitor
Connect the monitor output to each external instrument track. Monitor is acting as a splitter
In Fantom setting, turn off program change in system settings (very important)

Drag the monitor object into the bottom of the track list. Your midi file resides here.

The Fantom is awesome!