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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 11:04, 25 January 2016

Whoa

Forgot I was a member for awhile.

Quick update:

Just bought a Moog Mother 32 and have another on backorder. Just bought a Korg Minilogue too.

MV8800 still centerpiece for all my needs. Have not gone back to PC multitracking yet. Everything so easy on the MV.

Looking at a system 1M to integrate with all the modular stuff, but sequencing all this gear on the MV is a breeze.

Roland - you missed the mark in not bringing an updated standalone version of this out in smaller form with faster processing.

For those that are worried about sample RAM limits, I haven't run out yet. My MV is a beast. Forget about new MPC's and their buggy implementations. The MV is a computer, yes, but infinitely more musical feel than a computer with add-on controllers. For now, after nearly 14 years on computer multitracking, the MV and all my non-preset holding analog synths, my 60+ GB of samples, my custom skinned beast of an MV8800 is still the top dog. Play the hell out of your music.

The sequencer on the MV is still a major player.

Good luck to any new MV users. Take time with it. It will grow on you.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Soul One » 13:59, 25 January 2016

Vondragonnoggin wrote:It will grow on you.


So true...
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 10:39, 28 January 2016

Shame about MV Nation no longer up. WaxDat has some great tutorials though on youtube though.

Many thanks to anyone though that posted youtube tutorials on the MV. It's not terribly difficult to get in and start making music, but it hassome deep features worthy of exploration.

Akai completely is missing the mark still tying to a pc with buggy software and the Retronyms ipad version of both iMPC and iMPC pro are kind of a joke when you compare it to the deep functions of an MV or even a 4000, 5000, 2500, 2000 version of MPC.

I have a feeling there are more like me that got into the DAW/softsynth/soft drum machine thing early on and are just now getting tired of it and going back to hardware, this is why the resurgence of analog, step sequencers, modulars, etc on the rise. Everyone enthralled by what software can do, but after awhile just need hands on a musical machine. I found some older equipment has that not-so-pristine sound quality too that is desirable.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Lonewolf360 » 22:23, 8 February 2016

does anyone want to sell their MV8-0p1, let me know right away, I need two of them for both my MV8800's, Roland should have never discontinued them! Email me at JaonsLyric360@gmail.com serious folks only, and don't flood my mail box spammers. I'll pay 500 for it! I need it to transfer digital audio via R-Bus, and for outputting analog audio to my digital mixer, then to whatever else I want. I'll beat anyone's offer!
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 16:49, 29 February 2016

Ok. PC not anywhere even close vicinity to my workspace now. I did flip the mixers and re-cabled all gear after cleaning and pretty organized now. Using two 12 channel Behringer mixers - XenyxFX and XenyxUSB. FX mixer is sub-mixer. They both have built in fx actually, but the XenyxUSB is a USB audio interface so I can capture all live work on my PC when I feel like it and master it in Audition.

Looks like midi expansion wasn't necessary. A and B midi outs give 32 midi channels to work with. I'm using thru boxes to expand. One 4 out box and one 5 out box. Both of those just hooked to A side midi out so still can add more and expand hardware if needed.

Mv8800 controlling:

Waldorf Blofeld
3x Moog Mother 32's
Roland JV1010
Arturia Minibrute (Moog Werkstatt connected to cv pitch and gate from minibrute)
Blue Lantern Salamander Modular
Korg Minilogue
M-Audio Venom (also set to master controller with venom out to midi in, and B side midi out to venom in)

Still waiting on used mint MC-303 I picked up for $175 and a new Roland System 500 I will connect with my Doepfer Dark Link midi-to-cv converter.

No more hardware for me for awhile. Out of space. That's 11 midi channels out of a possible 32.

I made a template with all the tracks setup for each midi channel and named for the instrument.

Usually use track 1 for the sampler and load up a drum kit patch, then import additional samples on other banks. Have not run out of room yet on the first track for sequenced drums and one-shot samples.

Using the mv8800 like this takes up little memory and as a midi sequencer, it is probably the easiest midi sequencer to use. Piano roll, grid, event list views are great and the 19" monitor makes everything easy to see.

The color schemes available have some that are really easy on the eyes for long sessions too.

I really bought the MC-303 to use as a portable setup with my 3x Mother 32 rack and a zoom ST-224 sampler, but it will get connected to the mv8800 when at home anyway. Don't want to take my mv8800 out of the house. Too big for what I want in a portable setup.

The more I'm using it, the easier it is to let creation flow and do exactly what I need with it. The sample preview load times are workable even if twice as slow as Ableton on my PC. Just a limitation I find acceptable.

This is one bad to the bone sampler.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 14:50, 7 March 2016

Alright - the mc 303 was pure nostalgia. It will be used for a portable sequencer, but I hadn't owned one since 2001 and apparently forgot how cheesy some of those sounds are. Haha. Next to my analogs and newer VA synths, the sound quality on some of the presets is really poor. It does have some good drums and easy sequencer though. Some presets are pretty workable with fx too. It cleaned up great with a little goo gone and a lot of damp paper towel wiping afterwards. Looks brand new. Everything works on it too. $175 was cheap.

Bought a Novation Circuit to pair with it for mobile rig. Circuit was $250 new. Isotonik makes a Circuit editor for the two 6 voice poly synths in the circuit. They are actually two full blown Nova synths so you can make your own great sounds with the editor and edit macros too, then save off to Circuit and take with you.

Last piece, the Roland System 500, is still backordered, but I'm at space capacity now. Bought new ipad air 2 128GB for all those apps I use and a Griffin dock with midi and stereo audio, guitar in, stereo mini in, etc to use with new (new to me anyway) ipad. I'm using my current ipad 2 asa sound module sequenced by the mv8800 now on a few songs.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby waxdat » 00:52, 15 April 2016

Vondragonnoggin wrote:Ok. PC not anywhere even close vicinity to my workspace now. I did flip the mixers and re-cabled all gear after cleaning and pretty organized now. Using two 12 channel Behringer mixers - XenyxFX and XenyxUSB. FX mixer is sub-mixer. They both have built in fx actually, but the XenyxUSB is a USB audio interface so I can capture all live work on my PC when I feel like it and master it in Audition.

Looks like midi expansion wasn't necessary. A and B midi outs give 32 midi channels to work with. I'm using thru boxes to expand. One 4 out box and one 5 out box. Both of those just hooked to A side midi out so still can add more and expand hardware if needed.

Mv8800 controlling:

Waldorf Blofeld
3x Moog Mother 32's
Roland JV1010
Arturia Minibrute (Moog Werkstatt connected to cv pitch and gate from minibrute)
Blue Lantern Salamander Modular
Korg Minilogue
M-Audio Venom (also set to master controller with venom out to midi in, and B side midi out to venom in)

Still waiting on used mint MC-303 I picked up for $175 and a new Roland System 500 I will connect with my Doepfer Dark Link midi-to-cv converter.

No more hardware for me for awhile. Out of space. That's 11 midi channels out of a possible 32.

I made a template with all the tracks setup for each midi channel and named for the instrument.

Usually use track 1 for the sampler and load up a drum kit patch, then import additional samples on other banks. Have not run out of room yet on the first track for sequenced drums and one-shot samples.

Using the mv8800 like this takes up little memory and as a midi sequencer, it is probably the easiest midi sequencer to use. Piano roll, grid, event list views are great and the 19" monitor makes everything easy to see.

The color schemes available have some that are really easy on the eyes for long sessions too.

I really bought the MC-303 to use as a portable setup with my 3x Mother 32 rack and a zoom ST-224 sampler, but it will get connected to the mv8800 when at home anyway. Don't want to take my mv8800 out of the house. Too big for what I want in a portable setup.

The more I'm using it, the easier it is to let creation flow and do exactly what I need with it. The sample preview load times are workable even if twice as slow as Ableton on my PC. Just a limitation I find acceptable.

This is one bad to the bone sampler.



Would like more in depth detail on your midi setup for all those modules. How you setup the thru boxes, brand of thru box and how you set your modules. I got a lot of modules and need to set them up similar to as you have. I just got a mother 32 and a minilogue to go along with my micro brute. MV is an excellent controller for all this analog gear.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby LoneDraGon360 » 09:54, 3 May 2016

Vondragonnoggin wrote:
Was disappointed with phrase recording until realizing a workaround can be had for mixing several pad sounds on one track still by resampling, but really use the patch more than phrase features and if I have a particular sample I want to have extra options or record some serious choppy sample pad play, I can do that in limited amount individually or nearly unlimited by resample options.

Peace

Just letting you know how to layer a few different ways if ya haven't figured out yet.
One of the ways i like to assign multiple samples to a patch is by 1. pressing F5 (AsgnToPatch) when the Select Quick Assign message (screen guide; p.213) is displayed.
2. Specify the Part parameter which you want to assign the part number of the instrument

memo - Sample are assigned as partials to the patch of the instrument pad you specified using the part parameter
3. the rest is in your owners manual, if you don't have one u can download the digi version from roland. this page is the manual is m-77

another way to do it is hit Quick edit, then whichever pad/sample you want to edit, then hit SMT, then you can assign 4 different samples/patches to one pad, this's my fav way to do it.

You will come to also find out there's several different ways of doing many things on the MV8800, which is super dope, it's still way passéd it's time i think, and I come from the MPc60, 2000xl, boss sp202, the interface graphics are just outdated.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 15:12, 12 May 2016

waxdat wrote:
Vondragonnoggin wrote:Ok. PC not anywhere even close vicinity to my workspace now. I did flip the mixers and re-cabled all gear after cleaning and pretty organized now. Using two 12 channel Behringer mixers - XenyxFX and XenyxUSB. FX mixer is sub-mixer. They both have built in fx actually, but the XenyxUSB is a USB audio interface so I can capture all live work on my PC when I feel like it and master it in Audition.

Looks like midi expansion wasn't necessary. A and B midi outs give 32 midi channels to work with. I'm using thru boxes to expand. One 4 out box and one 5 out box. Both of those just hooked to A side midi out so still can add more and expand hardware if needed.

Mv8800 controlling:

Waldorf Blofeld
3x Moog Mother 32's
Roland JV1010
Arturia Minibrute (Moog Werkstatt connected to cv pitch and gate from minibrute)
Blue Lantern Salamander Modular
Korg Minilogue
M-Audio Venom (also set to master controller with venom out to midi in, and B side midi out to venom in)

Still waiting on used mint MC-303 I picked up for $175 and a new Roland System 500 I will connect with my Doepfer Dark Link midi-to-cv converter.

No more hardware for me for awhile. Out of space. That's 11 midi channels out of a possible 32.

I made a template with all the tracks setup for each midi channel and named for the instrument.

Usually use track 1 for the sampler and load up a drum kit patch, then import additional samples on other banks. Have not run out of room yet on the first track for sequenced drums and one-shot samples.

Using the mv8800 like this takes up little memory and as a midi sequencer, it is probably the easiest midi sequencer to use. Piano roll, grid, event list views are great and the 19" monitor makes everything easy to see.

The color schemes available have some that are really easy on the eyes for long sessions too.

I really bought the MC-303 to use as a portable setup with my 3x Mother 32 rack and a zoom ST-224 sampler, but it will get connected to the mv8800 when at home anyway. Don't want to take my mv8800 out of the house. Too big for what I want in a portable setup.

The more I'm using it, the easier it is to let creation flow and do exactly what I need with it. The sample preview load times are workable even if twice as slow as Ableton on my PC. Just a limitation I find acceptable.

This is one bad to the bone sampler.



Would like more in depth detail on your midi setup for all those modules. How you setup the thru boxes, brand of thru box and how you set your modules. I got a lot of modules and need to set them up similar to as you have. I just got a mother 32 and a minilogue to go along with my micro brute. MV is an excellent controller for all this analog gear.


Ok. So most of it coming off A side out.

Midi setup:

A in - keyboard controller (now swapped out for Novation KS4 49 key with aftertouch)
A out - goes to a digitech dual fx unit and midi thru from that goes to a Midi Solutions Quadra Thru 4 port box

The Quadra thru has one out going to my Behringer BCR2000 and thru from that to Waldorf Blofeld. I use the BCR2000 with blofeld templates to get extra knob control since I don't care for the matrix editing as much as having a bunch of realtime knobs to tweak.

Another out goes to Griffin iPad dock, and one to my jv1010. The last out feeds to a Kenton powered 5 way thru box which then feeds three Mother 32's, Access Virus Ti2, and now a Gotharman Little DeFormer 2 grain sampler/sequencer/fx unit

Last is B side out - just going to midi in on my KS4 controller/synth, but really could expand if I wanted by adding another thru box.

Midi assignments are:

MV8800 sampler instance tracks - midi off
Mother 32 - A1
2nd Mother 32 - A2
3rd Mother 32 -A3
Blofeld - A4
JV1010 - A5
Gotharman LDF2 - A6
iPad - A8
Virus - A9, A10, A11, A12...etc

KS4 - B1

Blofeld and Virus both multitimbral so can use multiple parts on either and assign out remaining midi channels

KS4 also 4 part multitimbral so can use B1-4 if needed.

Need to use midi thru on Virus to hook up anything else or get a third thru box, but thats kind of where it settled. I don't have my Minibrute hooked up by midi right now as I like to tweak it and play while sequenced parts playing on other gear. Minilogue donated to my son who can't stop goofin around with it.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 15:14, 12 May 2016

Guess I should mention I scrapped my Roland System 500 order for a Virus Ti2 desktop instead. More use out of the Virus. I have enough analogs.

Virus very easy to setup multi's on. Can name the Multi the same name as the project for easy setup on mv.

Its a beast of a synth, but the Gotharman Little Deformer 2 is a beast of a grain sampler and sequencer too. Nice companions to MV8800 as the Master Sequencer.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 15:24, 12 May 2016

LoneDraGon360 wrote:
Vondragonnoggin wrote:
Was disappointed with phrase recording until realizing a workaround can be had for mixing several pad sounds on one track still by resampling, but really use the patch more than phrase features and if I have a particular sample I want to have extra options or record some serious choppy sample pad play, I can do that in limited amount individually or nearly unlimited by resample options.

Peace

Just letting you know how to layer a few different ways if ya haven't figured out yet.
One of the ways i like to assign multiple samples to a patch is by 1. pressing F5 (AsgnToPatch) when the Select Quick Assign message (screen guide; p.213) is displayed.
2. Specify the Part parameter which you want to assign the part number of the instrument

memo - Sample are assigned as partials to the patch of the instrument pad you specified using the part parameter
3. the rest is in your owners manual, if you don't have one u can download the digi version from roland. this page is the manual is m-77

another way to do it is hit Quick edit, then whichever pad/sample you want to edit, then hit SMT, then you can assign 4 different samples/patches to one pad, this's my fav way to do it.

You will come to also find out there's several different ways of doing many things on the MV8800, which is super dope, it's still way passéd it's time i think, and I come from the MPc60, 2000xl, boss sp202, the interface graphics are just outdated.


I know about the layering bit and having them either trigger at thesame time or round robin, but the phrase track thing I was trying to do was not really a good way of accomplishing my goals. Was easier to bring in second or third instruments with individual samples. These are long samples you can loop if you want not short hits. Thanks for the tips though.

Interesting enough is all the requests from MPC and MV custoners about bringing back a pure hardware drum sampler and Pioneer goes and does it with their Toraiz and DSI analog filters in it.

Nice one for Pioneer.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby FANTOMized » 14:19, 5 June 2016

Vondragonnoggin wrote:
Interesting enough is all the requests from MPC and MV custoners about bringing back a pure hardware drum sampler and Pioneer goes and does it with their Toraiz and DSI analog filters in it.

Nice one for Pioneer.


Lots of people expecting too much from the Toraiz.
Think more DJ tool than production tool like MV or MPC.
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby TheTank » 14:49, 17 July 2016

Not sure if this will be answered but, how to convert samples to 16 bit 44.1 KHz. Try to add Trap sounds to my MV, wav and aiff still getting unsupported file
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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Soul One » 16:35, 17 July 2016

TheTank wrote:Not sure if this will be answered but, how to convert samples to 16 bit 44.1 KHz. Try to add Trap sounds to my MV, wav and aiff still getting unsupported file


You are in the wrong thread...

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Re: MV-8800 after two weeks - expectations

Postby Vondragonnoggin » 19:43, 9 January 2017

So, having just dropped cash on an unopened box mv8800 NOS package, ssd's bought, RAM upgrade, pads, etc, they finally put out info on new MPC Live and MPC X standalone workstations.

So far, have not seen anything that it does that the MV already has built in except for the elastique engine and clip launch/scene launch, like Ableton implements. That is pretty big, but can't see it replacing my mv8800. Maybe synced with it, but not a replacement. 10 years go by from mv8800 launch and Akai is just getting to features already standard with the MV. On the PC or Mac, it does 128 audio tracks, as standalone 8? MV has 8 audio tracks. Phrase pads, like scene launch or phrase launch as the 2016 2.0 software peek showed. MV already does it. Built in synth - MV has that. Multiple good plugin fx - mv has that.

MV has many multisampled instruments available. MV can have a sampler instrument doing native midi and not even using a midi track so it frees up midi tracks for actual outboard gear.

MPC 2.0 has it beat with speed of load times and that Ableton style clip inegration, but yet to see the midi editor as being improved over the MV. More sample RAM and larger hard drive capacity recognition it also leads on, but really comparing features of the two does not give much edge to the new MPC standalone.

Just some interesting notes on how far ahead of its time the MV was.
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